Kyle Wood: Hello everyone.

And welcome back to a very special

episode of the Dale and Kyle show.

Dale Sidebottom: doing a, where

Kyle Wood: Today we're
doing a, where are they now?

Because, um, it's been
ages since we recorded an

episode and it's been ages since
I've caught up with, with, Dale.

So I was like, let's catch up and
then also share what we've been up to.

I think that'd be interesting.

Dale Sidebottom: be interesting.

Love that.

Thanks, Kyle.

That's great.

How long ago was the last episode?

I know.

Do you know off the top of your head?

Cause I know we were
talking about that before.

It's funny how we did

this for so many, did this for so many
years together and then I need to stop

and it's, I bet it's been a long time.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, could you stop and
then start again and then, you know,

like, you were just talking about
having kids and being tired and we've

both had kids in that time as well.

Uh, so episodes, the last
one was November 1st, 2021.

So it's been like two and a half years.

Dale Sidebottom: Jeez.

It's a long time, mate.

It didn't

feel like that because we're

doing them weekly or as a fortnightly.

Kyle Wood: were doing them weekly
sort of through Uh, From like the

start of COVID and then I guess
November 2021 was sort of when things

were starting to go back to normal.

So we then were like both off
doing other business things.

Dale Sidebottom: Trying to, trying
to resurrect our businesses.

Don't you mean?

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

That's been, maybe we'll
talk about it today.

That's been, that's been a slow, it's been
like the slowest thing I've ever done.

Dale Sidebottom: Coming back from COVID to

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's like, yeah, yeah.

And at some point I'm like, At what
point can I keep blaming COVID for this?

But I think, you know, it,
it did really disrupt things.

So, um, yeah, I felt it.

And then I think having like, people
have been feeling it financially so that,

that there's been like this double, it
wasn't just one thing, it was two things.

So yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: understandable, mate.

Yeah,

Kyle Wood: But where, where
should we start with this?

You were just telling me

about

Actually, yeah, because I think during
COVID was when you were, and with

the last recording, you were really

changing gears and trying to

do

more of this.

You've like released your book,

the, um,

uh, all work, no play.

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.

good, good memory.

Yeah.

Kyle Wood: And Yeah.

it's on the shelf here.

Um, and then you were trying to get,

like spread that message.

You did like a TEDx

talk.

Um, and Yeah, and then, and then yeah,
so how, it's like, how's that been going?

Dale Sidebottom: how's that been going?

Like you running a business where
people need to be face to face and they

subscribe to what you do because you
give them ideas and that was shut down.

And obviously that's

hard.

Whereas my predominantly business
is I get people in a room and

I give them an experience.

You know, I create a fun environment that.

You know, has underlying messages
and backed by science to improve

their mental, physical well being.

Obviously, I couldn't do that.

Um, and at the time when

we're going through all that, it
was really challenging, but if I'm

going to be a little bit, uh, blunt
here, COVID's actually probably been

a blessing for me with what I do.

Um, like with what you just said,
Kyle, you know, people, Are still

struggling with the effects of
what that might have had on them.

And everybody was affected differently.

But, um, a lot of people
now, uh, you know, don't like

going into social situations.

They find it uncomfortable.

They don't know how to have fun.

They don't know how to connect
all these things that I think pre

COVID, we sort of took for granted.

Um, so it's strange.

A lot of my work now I'm getting
corporate spring up and say, Oh, we

can't get people back in the office.

Can you just come and do a session
to, Help them have fun and connect.

I'm like, yeah, I,

yeah, I can do that.

Not a problem.

And, or like, um, I'm getting schools
ringing up and say, our kids don't

know how to socialize, they don't know
how to mingle, can you once again,

just get them to come and have fun.

And I'm like, wow, before COVID
I'd have all these underlying.

Messages and themes and
objectives to tick off.

Whereas now people are just
saying, come in and do what you do.

So if anything, COVID has probably
amplified the importance of play and,

you know, relationships and connection.

And, um, through that play, when you
can make people feel safe, that's when.

All these things that people are
struggling with at the moment,

they sort of dwindle away.

Um, if people don't feel safe, it
doesn't matter what environment

they're in, Kyle, they're not going
to, they're not going to be able to

blossom or find that joy in any area.

So I think I've been very fortunate
that COVID allowed me to go away from

the stigma of just being a fitness
guy or a PE guy, you know, where

I ran, you know, predominantly
movement based sessions using play.

Um, and I found a way now to.

Yeah, use that to improve mental and
physical wellbeing through play, but

activities that you can do sitting down.

And, um, yeah, it's been
amazing to be honest.

Um, for a long time, I had so many
people go, Oh, Dale, like what's

the evidence to back up what you do?

And I'll go, Oh, just get in the room.

You've got to feel it.

And they're like, well,

Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah,

Dale Sidebottom: last year I did a full
year study with La Trobe University and I

had, um, I had three of their professors
follow me around and, uh, get data

from a number of my one hour fun shops.

I call them.

Um, and the

results are incredible, um,
around like people's improved

mental wellbeing, reduced

Kyle Wood: Oh, wow.

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.

So I've got that now, which

Kyle Wood: That's so cool.

Dale Sidebottom: like, nobody's
really doing what I'm doing.

So they were really

fascinated and the results are amazing.

So this year they've given me.

More, they've given me two more students
and we've got two different studies going

on, um, around I'm running programs in
primary school and secondary schools.

Now, where I go in and teach the
student leaders how to run this 20

week course that we've created and
give them, you know, the student agency

is called and voice and leadership.

So then they champion
that across their school.

Um,

Kyle Wood: So the actual students
are doing this, not, Yeah, wow.

Dale Sidebottom: So once again,
like there's nothing like this done.

And so

I'm pretty excited about it.

We start the study, um, at the
start of term three, it's taken a

long haul to get off and off the
ground, but we've got schools on

board and we've got it all sorted.

And, um, yeah, I'm, I'm really excited
for it because once, once I can show

the impact it can have by training
students to do what I do, the reach that.

The programs I've created will have
so much more impact instead of me

have to be in the room, you know, you
can have 40 student leaders running

those programs for other students in
their school, um, for the staff, for

families, some are going to other schools
and running them for aged care centers,

uh, Yeah, so it's really cool, mate.

So yeah, that's probably
where it's all coming.

Um, I did have a number of brands and
I've created a whole umbrella company now

called the school of play and everything

goes really nicely under that.

And

it's sort of like all these loose
ends I had for so many years,

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: so many
things now it all makes sense.

Um, and yeah, man, I think it's,
for me, that's really exciting.

Yeah.

I was always trying new things and
trying to figure out what, what I

was going to do or what would work.

And now after doing this eight or nine
years, I know exactly what I do, where I'm

going and the direction I want to have.

Um, yeah, so obviously I would like
to have that a little bit earlier,

but I think you only find that
out by trying new things and you.

Uh, the master of the assuming how
many things have you tried over the

years to figure out what works for you.

You don't know and we're both in
the field of creating something

that hasn't been done before.

So, um, yeah, I think that's
sort of where I'm at, mate.

What about yourself?

Kyle Wood: Wow.

Wait, I have

Dale Sidebottom: Oh, no,

Kyle Wood: do wanna share, I'll share,
but I ha I have a question, which is

like, so especially around the working
with this, like how did you come up with

the idea of, of empowering the, the kids,
like the students to run the programs?

How did that come

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah,
that's a great question.

So one of the schools I've, I've done a
lot of work for in Cranbourne, actually,

which is, uh, for people listening in,
in Victoria, um, about 40 minutes out

of Melbourne, uh, I've done a lot of
work there and they're like, well, Dale,

we've got all these student leaders,
they do, you know, they might speak

at staff meetings or they might do the
assembly or things like this, but there's

sort of token things I was saying.

They want to made to
create a program that.

I would work with those leaders, then
they would champion around their school.

And I never really even thought
about it because I've been

probably out of school for so long.

I didn't realize

how important that, you
know, voice and agency was.

Um, yeah.

And so once I started doing a little
bit of research on it, that there's

not really anything out there.

There's a lot of leadership courses.

Um, but what I've normally found
these leadership course, they

just tell the students what to do.

Whereas mine is I go in and
I'll teach them how to do it.

They feel it.

And then they've got it all.

They've got a backend membership.

Platform that they can
go and use and I teach

them how to create it and, and
mix it for their certain clients.

And, um, yeah, so it's sort of come
from just a conversation and then

obviously I was extremely curious
about it because I didn't really

even know that this was a thing.

Um, yeah.

And then it all makes sense, you know,
the whole emphasis on reducing teacher

load, because that's just another
thing that we add on their plate.

And we look

at schools everywhere, Kyle, like
teachers are burning out and they don't

want to be there at an outrageous rate.

So take something off their plate.

More importantly, champion
the students to be the leaders

and teach them how to do it.

That's very important.

And then give them the voice in their
whole community where they're Um,

they include not only the staff and
the students, but also the families.

And that's been one of the big aspects.

I made these things called community
connectors, where each week there's

a video and an activity that is
to be done at home, a play based

activity.

Um, and the students are to watch
the video of me explaining it, create

their own, and then they share it
out to their school and community.

So that's what I do.

Not only are we getting the impacts in
the school, but also at home, because

you're a parent, you know, you're always

looking for ways to help your kids
grow and excel and things like that.

And a lot of time, you just
don't know where to go.

Um, and the key with it, if it's
not fun, nobody's going to do it.

So,

um, yeah, I've been very fortunate
over the years to create a number

of activities, some, not very good,
a lot, very good, um, that are fun.

And when, when you're having
fun, you can, you can make.

Significant in ways into
whatever area you want.

So yeah, that it all came
just from a conversation.

Um, and, uh, we've had so many
conversations over the years where

we challenge each other and we
throw different ideas at each other.

And, um, for me, this one was, yeah,
like all these, Curiosity, like bells

were going off in my head and I'm like,
wow, I think there's something in this.

So yeah, I just went away and
put my thought, uh, thought

cap on and, and created it.

Kyle Wood: That's cool.

Thanks for sharing that.

Dale Sidebottom: Great question.

Thank you.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, it was, it's like, yeah.

Anyway, we, like, if we talk about
human design stuff, , I'm like, you're

very much like we're in alignment
with your human design there, Dale.

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah,
that's, well, that's good.

Kyle Wood: But like the, the energy,

Dale Sidebottom: How does that
fit into the human design element?

Like, sort of like the program that
I've just created there, because I know

that's a big field that you have been
focusing on and, um, really enjoying.

How does that sort of fit
into what you've been doing?

It's sort of around, you know, the, the
coaching, the empowering, um, you know,

giving the skillset to other people.

It's a bit easy to

Kyle Wood: well, like for you,
because you are like a generator,

um, and from memory, you're.

What's called like a cycle generator.

So you make decisions with your gut.

So like, it's very normal and as a
generator, just strategies to respond.

So it's not to like go out and
initiate stuff, but usually it is

like something will cross your path.

And then you'll get that
gut surge, like that energy.

So like you describing them that
you got this like real surge about

it, and then you, you pursued it,
even though it was just like a

conversation is like a perfect example.

Of like following that.

Whereas it's could also be easy to,
to like get in your head about it

and try and like, instead of just
trusting that excitement you had,

just being like, uh, you know, uh,
it's not, it's not a good time.

Well, I don't really want
to work with schools cause.

I know you'd worked with schools for a
long time and then maybe you're like,

there's maybe not enough money in it,
or, you know, like, there could have

been all these reasons you could have,
like, talked yourself out of it, but, um,

because you just, like, trusted that, that
curiosity that, and probably because of,

like, a lot of the play based work you
do that you have the awareness to be able

to, like, trust that when it came past.

Um, so that, that's how that
would, would apply in there.

Okay.

Um.

Dale Sidebottom: it, mate.

Kyle Wood: Yeah, so what,

what have I been up to?

Oh,

uh,

Dale Sidebottom: it's funny you're

Kyle Wood: well, it's funny you're
talking about the experiment team

because that's one of the things,

um, you know, over the years I've
like meditated on and off and I

had the realization towards the
end of last year that like often.

When I had like the biggest breakthroughs,
like personally or professionally,

I'd had a meditation practice.

Uh, and so That that really gave
me like the inspiration to start

again and now it's been um, like
Over half a year every day, which

is the longest I've like stuck to

Dale Sidebottom: Well done!

Kyle Wood: Like meditating
at least once a day Yeah um

And one of the insights has come
out of that was that like, I

kind of stopped experimenting.

Um, I feel like for a period there,
especially post COVID maybe because of

the uncertainty and the industry,
I gave away a lot of my, my

agency around business stuff.

Like I, I was started looking to
other people to tell me what to

do instead of what I used to do,
which was kind of this weird.

Like, I'm going to try stuff, share it,
collaborate with people, and we're just

like kind of going to learn from that.

I, I got it in my head that
I was like, ah, everything

that's gotten me to this point.

But if I want to go to the
next step, I really need to.

Like start doing that.

Um, so yeah, so it's, it was actually
like a really tough time and it was a

period of trying things, but trying things
that other people were telling me to do.

We just still learn from that,

but not probably trusting myself.

Dale Sidebottom: I know.

I don't think you did doubt
yourself an awful lot.

I know we had a couple
of telephone calls, man.

I still remember this and you're
getting different coaching

and you're trying new things.

I think that's good though, because you
realize to come back and trust yourself.

Like what

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: said to
me about trusting my gut.

Well, you weren't trusting your gut.

You

Kyle Wood: hundred percent.

It's so funny cause I was studying,

Dale Sidebottom: couldn't tell

you that.

on the phone.

You need to figure that out.

Kyle Wood: I don't, my, my wife
couldn't tell me that either,

even though she was trying to, uh, all
my, my like other podcasts I work with.

Uh, yeah, I, I was, it's funny cause
I was studying all this like human

design stuff and I was getting into it
and I was like helping other people,

especially like other business owners.

Um, and, and I wasn't perhaps like
practicing it like enough in my own life.

So anyway, there's the Yeah, so anyway,
it led all the way through to being

like I need to trust myself again and
I need to like get back to I Need to

get Less involved about like what's
the next strategy and more like?

Back into how do I describe this?

I?

Guess it's like more like back into the
moment because I think sometimes with like

strategy we get really focused on like the
end result And then you lose that place

for magic and like serendipity and stuff
like that, because you, you're so fixated.

And so I think that's where I was at.

And so getting back into like, being
like this, you know, like smiling Dale's

sitting here smiling at me right now.

Cause he's like, duh, this is
like my whole career right now.

Dale Sidebottom: mate, what you're doing
by looking to the future, you don't get

into flow because you're not present.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: be present and be.

Like if you're thinking about the
future, like that may not even

occur, do you know what I mean?

All you can control is the moment.

And this is

what I think everybody in the world
has so many issues with in the moment

that we're so fixated on the past
or the future that We forget that

the gift itself is being present.

And when you are present, that's
when you do get these great ideas.

And that's essentially what meditation
has done for you, because it allows you

that time where previously when you're
not doing that and you're so caught

up on all these, what other people can
give you and so forth like that, you

never actually allow
yourself to be in that zone.

Kyle Wood: Yep.

Yeah, it's very accurate.

Dale Sidebottom: It's

funny because like we,

we both talk about.

Being, like, meditation
for you is the way I do it.

I use play to do it with other people.

Doesn't matter how you do it.

Mindfulness is being in the
moment, wherever you are.

And you don't need to be all the time.

You don't need to be a Zen
master or a monk, like, that

meditates for 10 hours a day.

But you do need that.

Stages throughout the day where you
do not have any distractions going

on and whatever else is going on.

It doesn't matter because what you
were doing, you were so involved

and present with yourself or the
person you're enjoying that with.

And that's, you

know, meditation or walking without
a device or whatever it might be.

very important to have
something like that.

But

Kyle Wood: then as well.

She was born, started 2022.

And so then the time went even more so.

Um, and so I would kind of go through
these like bursts in my business of

like, kind of forcing myself to do stuff.

Um, and then like collapse in
a heap and then force myself

and like nothing was working.

Um, and like the, really the thing that
kept me going was like, I just get these

emails out of the blue from like trainers
using bootcraft or whatever, just being

like, Oh, this is like so helpful for me.

And so even though like I was, the
numbers were declining, um, you know, I

was still like, well, it's still like.

A few hundred people on here who are
really appreciating this or I get Someone

who'd like everything would happen.

They'd be like, okay I've just decided
to retire but then they would take the

time to send me a really nice email
about How how like the website had been

really helpful to them over the years
But yeah, yeah, it was tough and I think

I was getting stuck a lot in Like what
trainers were going through, because it's

interesting what you said about people
hesitating to come back to the office.

Cause I think a lot of trainers
are finding that with their

clients, like they're hesitating
to come back to, to classes and,

you know, pre COVID we,
we both ran bootcamps.

It was like, people knew the

benefits of going into a group exercise.

And it's almost like we need to go back
to square one, like for training we need

to go back to square one and kind of
explain that to people again, because

people have like forgotten that that is
something that they get a lot out of.

Uh, yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: I think it's,
it's hard though, because it's

not, it's not just exercise.

It's, and like you said before,
like I'm doing a lot in schools.

Why?

Because teachers and students
have to go to school.

Like there's

no choice.

They can't work online.

They can't do a zoom
fitness session, do I mean?

Or a zoom class session.

They actually physically
have to go in now.

Whereas, you know, a lot of other
industries, there's still hybrid versions.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: I'll do some
corporate sessions and, They'll

be filming me with people joining
online while people in the room.

And I'm like, the whole point of
this is to get people in the room.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: for you to do
it however you like, like that's,

you're getting me in here.

It's on you, whatever you want.

But the people online are missing out.

They probably like it.

I don't know.

I guess it is a really hard thing.

And, um, I think the key with whatever
you're doing and particularly for

anyone still running a bootcamp
that may listen to this, you

just got to go back to basics.

And.

It's not about the fitness.

It's about fun, making the session
fun, because when they're having fun,

they'll be connecting with other people,
but they'll remember that experience.

They won't realize they're coming
for the fitness because when you're

enjoying it, it just happens.

And again, that's that flow element.

Um, if you give them something, they're
not getting in anywhere else in their

life that, you know, that joy and
that fun and whatever that 45 minutes

is, then they'll keep coming back.

Um, I think it's so crucial
and that's the same.

If you're coaching, if you're in a
workplace, if you're trying to work

with your kids, it doesn't matter what
you're doing, like, you've just got

to go back to basics and make it fun.

The learning

takes place if it is fun.

If it's not fun, it doesn't matter what
you're trying to do, nobody will want

to be there or take it on board anyway.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

It's, it's funny you mentioned that
cause that's where it like from this

year of like trying things out again,
that's like where I got to, I was like,

ah, so next month I'm actually running
a challenge, um, with the bootcamp

ideas community, which is all about like
just really focusing on your warmups.

Like how can we make your
warmups as engaging as fun?

Cause I feel like that's been.

Like forgotten, I think, especially with
a lot of like online coaching things, it

becomes very much about like the exercise,
the cool exercise that stands out the

most on Instagram and stuff like that.

Forgotten those like basic skills
of, of like how to run a really fun

warmup and why that's so important.

And how, even if you just do that and your
rest of your workouts, fairly average,

like people like, yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: it the bookends.

If you start well and finish well, no one

gives a shit what you've
done in the middle.

Because, like, that's just part of it.

They started with a buzz, they
use that energy and they leave.

On the same, on the same foot, you
know, so it is the bookends essential.

Whatever you do in the middle will be
good if you get your bookends, right?

That's

doesn't matter where you are.

Like that's so important.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Yeah.

Um,

so where am I at now?

I'm doing the same, uh, stuff, but
yeah, I guess there's like a new energy

that I feel about, about doing it.

It's like, I'm very fortunate with
this business that it's like, I've had

two kids, you know, with it and it's
like, I've been able to spend a lot

of time with them, uh, and still do.

But now, this year with my oldest
starting school, I've really been like,

okay, I've got some more time for this.

Like you guys, my other
children need my attention

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.

Kyle Wood: and just trying
to like get back into that.

Cause it's just, I don't know.

It's just so much like.

I don't know about you, but if you like, I
don't really go on social media and stuff

anymore because there's just so much,
there's is, there is some good stuff,

but you got to filter through all of the

Dale Sidebottom: They're not

Kyle Wood: crap to get there.

And, uh, and I'll just like, I miss like

Dale Sidebottom: like

Kyle Wood: days.

So I'm trying to make bootcamp ideas like
that place again, like a place where it's

like, There's just like good stuff here.

come here, you're just going to
get really good help, really good

like advice, um, and bring back
that sense of like community.

And like, it's not just about
me, but it's about like the

people who are there as well.

And so that's part of the reason I
started up the, um, the podcast that I

started a few years ago, my solo podcast.

Cause I was like, I want.

Especially making a conscious decision.

I'm not really going to invest
any effort in social media.

I was like, well, I want some way
other than email still to keep in

touch with people and to like build
those, um, relationships as well.

So that's been a big thing
I've done and I've called it

the group fitness experience.

And I'm considering even,

Dale Sidebottom: the name

Kyle Wood: rebranding
everything eventually to be out.

So it'll still be bootcampideas.

com, but the website might be
called the group fitness experience.

Cause that's what I want
to start focusing on

is like getting people like thinking
about that experience that they're giving

their clients again, not just the workout.

Dale Sidebottom: Well, I love that mate.

That's essentially what I did with
energetic education, sugar life.

It's now, it's all under a collective
umbrella called the school of play.

Like they're still there and
they still have a purpose, but

my vision and missions changed.

Um, and I'm a lot clearer on that now.

And that's why I love the name,
the group fitness experience.

I think it's amazing.

But everything you've done to this
date is part of that experience.

But now you can add different layers
to it with what you've already done.

Um, like you said, building
that community again.

Um, yeah, I think that's brilliant, mate.

Kyle Wood: yeah.

I think, um, one of the things
I'm seeing shift online is that

Because there's so much information.

And now like with AI, like anyone can
just write an article very quickly.

So the amount of content
being created is only going to

dramatically increase with AI.

So that's why it's like, I want the
focus to be on the community and like

accountability and stuff like that.

Cause I think that's where the value is.

You can find, and we even talked about
this years ago before AI was really around

that, like, you can find anything about.

I find out anything about
anything online for free.

So the value is really in the experience.

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah, it is.

Kyle Wood: Um, and what you get out of
that, um, I mean, what you're doing is not

necessarily just out there for everyone
because you're like, you know, you're

doing these studies and stuff like that.

So that's, um, so that's really cool.

But yeah,

Dale Sidebottom: It is though,

but people, people could go and get any,
there's a lot, there's so many games out

there that people could just go and get.

But then

that's the problem, you know,
so often people go, Dale, you do

team building and icebreakers.

I go, I don't do any of those.

Why?

Because you've probably had a
really bad experience from someone

doing a horrible job with that.

That actually makes, I call them ice
makers because they actually have a

detrimental effect because they're so
awkward and they make the limelight on one

person and they make people uncomfortable.

Whereas I take people on a journey
and this is, this is something that

AI will never be able to understand.

Replace, you know, the, the
community that you're creating and

have created over years, but now
you're putting it in one space,

people can't get that anywhere else.

And that's

why, you know, that's why it's important.

And it's exactly the same that people
could say, Oh yeah, I can run games

or whatever, no, not a problem.

It's not the games.

It's the journey, the story, and the
way I layer it, like peeling an onion.

That you take layer by layer,
so no one cries, but they're

still getting uncomfortable.

But the whole time while they're
uncomfortable, they're feeling safe.

And by the end of it, and this only has
to be an hour, they've done something

that they just would never experienced
or thought they would do before.

Not because they wanted to,
because they felt safe and they

didn't realize what was happening.

And then the

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: place afterwards.

And I think,

That's something that's taken me a long
time to realise what I was able to do and,

you know, the structure and layout and the
highs and the lows and the stories and,

um, yeah, and now I've got it really good.

And that's why, you know, when you can
do a study with La Trobe University

and they're like, wow, that's
incredible what you're able to do.

Do you want to do more?

And I'm like, yeah, I'd love to
do more because I want to know the

impact it's having back by day.

Backed by science.

So I see what happens in the room.

You see what happens when you get those
emails and you know, people in your

community and how they reach out to you.

You know, that.

Um, and I just wanted the same,
and, and unfortunately people

don't want just a feeling now.

They want to go, all right,
so where's the evidence?

What's it backed up by?

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: So,

and that was a missing piece
for a long time that, uh.

I didn't have and I didn't
know how to find it.

I didn't know where to go for it.

Uh, so yeah, now

Kyle Wood: Well it
wasn't, it wasn't there.

Dale Sidebottom: yeah, I'm
extremely fortunate now that

yeah, you know, I do have that.

And, uh, it's funny, people don't
even really bat an eyelid at now.

They go, Oh, thank you.

Yep.

That's good.

Yep.

We'll book you in.

Like, it's just like, that's the

last piece of the puzzle.

Like they know already what they're
signing up for, what they want, but

they sort of needed that to justify it
or tick the box or, or whatever it is.

Um, something I worked so hard
for so many years to get, and

now it's like, okay, yep, cool.

That will get you in.

It's so funny how people

Kyle Wood: Wow.

Just having that like, science
battle that you've done that La

Trobe University study.

Dale Sidebottom: And I just made it
like, we just put into a, sorry, into

a two page, you know, PDF infograph.

Um,

and obviously I don't send the
whole 80 page document of the study.

And I send that to them, they're
like, oh wow, yep, that backs up what

we've heard about you and what you do.

And, um, yep.

And so that was all I
needed for all those years.

I just needed this two page document
that I literally couldn't buy.

Like I would have,

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: Oh, I was pulling
hair out, like applying for all these

grants and things, cause there's so many
grants out there these days, but you

need to have that data to back it up.

And, uh,

Yeah.

I never had that.

So now I do it's, uh, Yeah.

it's like a weight off my shoulders,
but I thought it'd be, people

would be more impressed by it.

Um, Because I took so
long to get it's funny.

It's funny what we put
value on like it's crazy.

Kyle Wood: Well, yeah.

And often like what we value as the
business owner is not necessarily

what the client values because we
have a different experience of it.

Dale Sidebottom: So true.

So true How how's the new podcast going?

You are you enjoying it?

Kyle Wood: Yeah, good.

I was a bit worried because
I hadn't done like a solo.

Sort of podcasts before.

So, cause I've got, so I've
got two podcasts right now and

I've got a human design one.

And so it's like human design
for wellness professionals.

So it's more broad and that's
just like ticking along.

Um, and that we, we do nerd out more
on human design and, but we like the

people we have on a like therapists
and yoga instructors and so kind of

like on that side of, of wellbeing
as opposed to like, just like.

the fitness professionals, like the
sort of group fitness type stuff.

Um, yeah.

And so, so that's going along
well, but I've got a co host for

that, Brandy, um, who's got a
yoga back and retail background.

And then, um, Um, yeah,
rebranding the podcast and like,

Oh, I'm doing it by myself.

I'm like, you know, do I get a co host?

What do I do?

Will I like burn out?

But yeah, I was surprised.

Like I was able to get in the mic and talk
for half an hour and I was like, Oh, okay.

Like maybe, and it's a, it's a nice
way to, cause I still like writing

and I still want to make sure like I
keep that up because it's a fun and

helpful way to like organize my thoughts
because my brain's always going.

Um, but the.

Podcast is nice because you can
just be more free form with it.

Just have some notes basically,
um, and go from there.

So yeah, I think I will have have guests
on, um, but I want to get, I'm going

to be a bit like picky with the guests.

I don't want to have like
guests on for guests sake.

Um, so if someone has something
that I really feel like will, We'll

mesh into what we do, um, and then
yeah, I'm thinking about doing

like shorter, like alternate, cause
it's a lot to do a podcast episode

every week, but I'm already doing
another podcast and everything else.

Um, so just doing like alternating, like
a shorter episode and a longer episode.

Dale Sidebottom: Not putting I
think that's good not putting the

pressure on yourself Um, I know
cause for the last year and a half,

I've done two podcasts and I've

literally just stopped the one
I've been going for eight years.

I think there's nearly 340 episodes

Kyle Wood: See you.

Wrapped up energetic
education, or energetic radio.

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.

I've just, I've just put a pause on
it because it was just getting, I was

just getting people for the sake of it.

And I'm like, why am I doing this?

I, it's actually, I'm not enjoying it.

So I've just, I've paused it,
um, and going to rebrand that to

the school play and make it all

about, Using play or different
ways to improve well being,

uh, in a fun way for anybody.

Um, you know, and
obviously talk with people.

I'll share ideas similar to, you
know, your group fitness experience.

Um, because then also, you know,
I've got another podcast where I

get to do it with somebody else
and, um, that's sort of taken over.

What energetic radio was for me.

So doing, um, the overly excited
podcast with my mate Jack Watts.

Uh, yeah, we, we, we do every second week
we interview somebody and then the week

in between we just talk and we just rock

up into where I am right now in my studio.

And

we don't really have a topic and
we just talk about what's going on.

And it's

amazing what happens when you
just allow that to happen.

So,

um, yeah, I'm sort of getting what the.

My old podcast was doing for me
for a long time, you know, where I

was reaching out to people on
to learn from, whereas now I'm

doing that with somebody else.

And it's really nice.

So I was like, let's free up some time
and stress and work, uh, by putting so

much pressure on yourself to release
two podcasts every single week.

Um,

You know, like no one was keeping me
accountable that to accept myself.

And I'm like, why am I, why am
I putting so much pressure on

this when it doesn't even matter?

Like, I think we're just, I don't
know, you, you worry about keeping

up and doing all these things.

And I'm like, you know what, it's
actually having a worse effect

on me by having that pressure on.

So just get rid of it.

Like, and it'll come

back when it needs to, like, and I think,

I think that's allowing ourself that
permission is liberating, but it's also,

yeah, it takes a while to get there.

You know, like exactly.

What you were talking about at the
start, you know, about backing yourself

and not looking elsewhere, coming back

to what you know best.

Like, you've got to actually go
through something and figure it

out yourself to understand that
that's the right path forward.

Um, yeah, so that's, yeah,
that's where there's me.

Um, yeah.

Yeah, but I think from doing,
starting the podcast with you, it's,

I've really enjoyed that aspect
of doing it with somebody else.

Um, I, yeah, I think I enjoy doing
that more than the solo ones.

So

it's taken me a long
time to figure that out.

But, um,

yeah, I just think about the
times that I've really enjoyed

it and had a good experience.

And most of the time
that's with somebody else.

I go, so.

Yeah.

That's sort of where I'm at
on the podcast scene, mate.

The, the Kyle and Dale show,
even though it was a while ago,

it was something that, yeah, and
particularly over COVID that was.

Yeah, it was like a catch up

and chat and a bit of a vent, I suppose,

Kyle Wood: really good.

And I think not just for us, it was good.

It was good for people listening as well.

So I think, yeah,
definitely served a purpose.

Dale Sidebottom: That's
good, it's good, mate

Kyle Wood: Uh, did you, so with the
overly excited podcast, what, what

is your like thoughts behind that?

Was it just a podcast for the love of it?

Or is there like a bit more of a purpose
behind it or what are you thinking?

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah, so obviously, uh,
so my co host, uh, Jack Watts, he used

to play for Melbourne and Port Adelaide.

He was a big number one draft
pick back in the day Um, and I

just got to know him really well.

We we started well, he started
going to the gym I go to at 5 00 a.

m class And And he's got
a lot of energy like me.

And I'm like, whoa, these
blokes and we're up and about.

And I remember, um, we've

got a couple of little projects on
the go and we're caught up for coffee.

And before we started talking about those,
he goes, Dale, I want to do more talking

like you were like, where can I start?

And I'm like, well, you, you
need to, you need a voice.

You need to do something.

I've found podcasting really good.

He's like, Oh, beauty.

Or he goes, all right, well, let's do one.

I'm like.

I'm already doing like, I'm like right.

I I'm all about.

Yep.

I'll give that a go.

So let's give it a shot.

And, um, yeah, I think we're 30
something odd episodes in now.

We've had famous sports stars.

We've had famous actors.

We've had CEOs.

We've had life coaches.

Um, Yeah.

So it's pretty, it's pretty cool.

Some of the people's houses I've
been in and, uh, got to chat

with, we've got a Logie two time
Logie winner coming out this week.

Um,

so yeah, it's, it's, uh, for me, it's been
just that sort of doing it with someone

else and not letting go of that sort of
control as well, because when we used to

sort of do it together, you would lead
it and I was, I was happy with that.

Whereas

with my other one, I would lead it.

Whereas now.

This podcast with Jack, he's
just very good on the spots.

He'll rock up and have
no preparation and I've

sort of started doing
the same thing as well.

Although I just don't prepare anything
and yeah, you just make it work.

And

Yeah.

it's been, it was sort of nerve
wracking at the start, but it's

pretty cool when you just let
things go and see how it turns out.

And it's been amazing actually.

Um, yeah, I, I tried not to
go on social media too much.

Obviously I still post things for
work because that's, you know, it's a

great avenue for me to showcase the things
I'm doing, but the messages and reach

that this podcast has had and from randoms
messaging us about the impact it's having

in particular around when Jack and myself
just talk and around two males in the mid

30s being open and vulnerable and just
talking about things that I think a lot

of people don't, um, you know, it's been
really refreshing for males and females.

So that's been really nice.

And that's where I was like, wow,
this is, I think we're doing something

really good and having an impact.

Yes, it's helping myself and I know
Jack, he loves it as well when we

come in here and chat and then we
get a cool guest on but just the

impact it's having on other people.

That's when you get a random message
from someone you don't know about

a theme or a topic or yeah and then
they say do you want to can you talk

more on this or like like yeah we
can talk about whatever you want like

Kyle Wood: Yeah,

Dale Sidebottom: I don't think people
understand how powerful, like, a

little message like that could be or

an email, you know, like you said

before, um, it doesn't, it's very easy
to do, it's also very easy not to do,

um, that's my favourite quote and
I talk about this all the time in

my talks, it's, The impact that can
have on somebody else is profound.

And like you were saying, that's
sort of what kept you going, gave

you the spark again, and, um, and
it's been very similar, I suppose.

Um, because I, with the other podcasts
I've done before, I've never really

just talked about myself personally or
things going on or being vulnerable or

different things like that, you know, I'm
sort of, I've played it pretty straight.

Whereas on this one, we've been very
open and we talk about things and people

have really resonated with that because.

You know, a lot of people are scripted
and they say the right thing and,

um, you know, we may not say the
right thing, but at least we're

being authentic to the people we are.

So, um, and that's been really nice.

It's been, it's been scary and
daunting, I must admit, doing,

saying things out there, because
once you say it, oh, as you know,

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: come back,

mate.

Um, but

also, Yeah.

then getting people saying how
much they appreciate that and,

um, want us to keep going.

It's been Yeah, for me
that's been awesome.

Fuck.

Yeah, I've really enjoyed that
and want to keep having impact

on people that we don't know.

Kyle Wood: Oh, that's so good.

I'm going to say that's like
such a good sign that you're

getting like messages from people.

Uh, cause it is hard doing online
stuff cause you speaking into a void.

A lot of the

time and you're hearing nothing back.

So it's not like, yeah, when you're
running your workshops, you can

see on the faces and the engagement
if people are vibing with it.

But yeah, for us, uh, yeah.

So yeah, it's, it's hard.

And I think, like, I see a lot of
trainers at the moment that they

message me and they're like, yeah,
you know, I want to, you know, Dale,

how like we started bootcamps because
it was a great way to like leverage

our time because we didn't have to.

So now I get messages from trainers
who are like, I want to do online stuff

to like leverage my time even further.

And I'm just always like, don't
know if you know what you're getting

into, like on the surface, you, you
know, you see like, uh, an influencer

with, you know, that hundreds of
thousands of followers, and they're

just making money promoting some brand
of coffee maker or something like

that.

But like, Uh, yeah, but behind the
scenes of what's going on in that

person's life, talking about like
being present to the moment, I'd say

there's not a lot of being present
to the moment because you always be

thinking about the next piece of content

Dale Sidebottom: Well, you're not, you're

just living, you're

Kyle Wood: dozens of times per day.

Dale Sidebottom: and you're living
like on in this fantasy world.

That's what

social media is.

Yeah, it's not,

it's not real.

Kyle Wood: and then they've
got big following, so they are

actually getting responses.

But for average trainer, who's trying
to break into the online world, um,

A lot of what you, you're going to go
through a lot of long period of, of yet

speaking to the void and hearing nothing

back.

So I'm always like, if you can find like
the thing that I'm seeing working at

the moment for trainers actually is, is.

Going back to, which was really popular
in the early 2010s was, um, small

group, like semi private training.

So I'm seeing that make a resurgence.

And maybe it's the thing you were talking
about before, where people are a bit

cautious about coming back to be groups

and like training with
four people feels safer.

But that I think is a better
place for trainers at the moment.

If they're like, I, I want a new offering,
I'd say, forget about online You need

a large following to really like make
some money, um, or you need to get into

like the high ticket game, which, um, is
really just for a certain type of person.

Uh, I would like get semi private
training where you can charge, you know,

you can be making 200, 300 a session.

Um, Depending on the people
you're charging and yeah, I think

that's better and you still get
to work with people face to face

and it's often going to be the same
clients and that's a way better

way to to leverage your time and
make more money at the moment.

Dale Sidebottom: A hundred percent.

And to be honest, you've probably
got the trainers listening.

You've probably got people that you
might've done one on one PT with, or

you've trained for a number of years.

They probably, if you say to them,
do you have two or three friends that

you'd like to create a group with?

And you know, we can design
it around what you want.

Kyle Wood: Yeah,

Dale Sidebottom: how many
people are going and doing that?

Like

they're not, you know, and then they
get to train with their friends.

They get a good catch up.

It's also a way

for

Kyle Wood: costing them less

Dale Sidebottom: cause it's also

increasing your client reach as well.

Kyle Wood: yeah,

Dale Sidebottom: yeah, because
doing a one on one like.

It's all your time, but if you do four
one on ones, there's probably what you

could do for one session with those

four people.

Kyle Wood: yep,

Dale Sidebottom: might have
three friends, each one of them.

And straight away there, you've got
four, instead of four one on ones,

now you've got four small groups.

You go from, you know, making a
hundred dollars a session to three

or four hundred dollars a session,
your time and impact and reach.

That's a great idea.

I really liked

that.

One of, um, I know he came to one of
the, the workshop we did in Melbourne.

Uh, Matt, a student that
I used to teach Colin.

I know if you remember Matt, anyway,

he came along and he just started PTing.

Now he's, he's,

got it.

Yeah.

Now he's got a studio.

He opened up in Melbourne

Kyle Wood: Oh, really?

Dale Sidebottom: and he only like he does,
he offers PTs, but it's all small group.

So

there's, you know, there's only
four per group, different sessions

throughout the day, number of trainers.

And I'm like, that's a really,
really smart way, you know, to,

so people start feeling safe with
the people they're training with.

Like, for example, I go to one of
those BFTs and I love them because

you can go to anyone around the world.

And I was in Singapore.

Uh, the start of the year doing work

and they're all over there, you
know, so I can still train anywhere

in the world, which is great.

But there's 36 people in every class.

So for a lot of

people.

That's daunting.

You know, whereas I

love that because I feed off

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: and at five in
the morning, I'm like, Whereas

other people couldn't think
anything worse and they don't

Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah, that's me.

Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: then
they're going to work out.

They want to come back.

That's my, that's everything
I base everything on now,

Kyle, is do people feel safe?

Because there's so many instances in any
aspect of their life where they don't.

So if that means training with
people they love and trust and know,

create that environment for them.

That you've got more clients and
not that they're, they're going to

want to keep coming and they'll talk
positively about it instead of, you

know, doing it online where they don't
get that human interaction or they're

doing their friends online like that.

You're missing out on so much.

They need that connection,
but they need to feel safe.

So allow them to create the group.

Ooh, that's a winner, mate.

That's a real winner.

I'd, I'd say to anyone that is a
PT or bootcamp instructor, and if

you're doing one on one PT sessions,
throw it out to the people like

That you're doing those with.

Do you have two or three friends
that we could do this with

them to make a small group?

Kyle Wood: Yeah,

Dale Sidebottom: There you go,

double your client base and your money.

Save you time.

That's a great idea.

There you go.

There's, uh, uh, the group
fitness experience, mate.

There's a, there's a podcast
for you right there, buddy.

Kyle Wood: yep, yeah, no, it's definitely,
it's on the cards to do, sort of break it

down, um, yeah, how to, how to actually
approach that and do that, cause um,

it's something I launched back when I was
training and now, um, Zoe's doing it with

her business and having good results,
so um, Yeah, Yeah, there's definitely

some like, ways to make the most of it.

And just to like, give people, it was
funny you talked about like, safety,

and that's such a good way to look
at it, because I feel like there is

like, a lack of um, kind of hope.

Um, and not everyone, mind you, like,
there's, there's some people in the

industry who are doing great, but I
think that's, maybe we're, or maybe

we're looking in the wrong places for
instead of looking to, yeah, to ourselves.

Um, to like try and work things out.

We're looking to other
institutions and organizations.

Um, but yeah, really like you used to
say this all the time, like backing

yourself.

Dale Sidebottom: A hundred percent, mate.

Kyle Wood: We need a bit more of that.

Dale Sidebottom: Don't, and don't,
don't question yourself or what it

might be like if you already got
clients and they don't question

you, they love you, they trust you.

Um, Leverage them in a positive way
because you're giving them an experience

that they may not even thought was
possible, you know, by that you, they may

only thought that you do, you know, the
one on one PT or like the large groups

or whatever it might be like, let them
create a group that suits their time.

And, you know, like when I was PT
in bootcamp, like I was working

some ridiculous hours, Colin.

I

know you were as well.

If someone said you have a
small group, I'd like, yep.

Name a time and place.

If I was free, I'd be there.

You know,

like, I think that's a great way
to leverage all aspects of what

you do, but also you don't need
to reach out and get new clients.

It doesn't matter about attracting
new people because the trusted,

loyal, super fan that is your
current client will do that for you.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Yeah.

Totally.

Dale Sidebottom: That's, that's

Kyle Wood: There we go.

Ha ha ha ha

Dale Sidebottom: I

had, thought of that when I was finishing
up PT, like, cause I was just doing

Kyle Wood: Yeah, cause you're
still doing like full days of

30 minute one on one.

Dale Sidebottom: was

doing like 12 or 14 one
on one clients a day.

I'd only do two days a week.

Um, because these were
clients I'd had for years and.

Like I would tell them a time
and they would just be there.

Like it wasn't any negotiated.

And I say, if you want to
train with me, this is a time.

Um, and what I ended up finding was
I found it hard to stop, but it was

actually having a detrimental effect
to my business because doing 12 to 14

PT sessions on two days of the week,
like it takes a lot of your energy

and that's time I didn't have to
build the backend or expand the other

business side of things.

Kyle Wood: yeah, yeah,

Dale Sidebottom: thought I was doing
a good thing and helping people, but

I was actually not helping myself or
the future business that I've created

now where I help a lot more people.

Um, yeah.

So it's funny when you caught up in
it, you don't realize that you need

to step away to figure that out.

But, um, yeah, sometimes giving
something up as well is, it's very tough.

Um, but yeah, it's, that's been amazing
to free up time and allow me the space to,

you know, experiment and try new things.

Yeah,

Kyle Wood: windows, one, which
you like train the backend.

So I'm like teaching it.

I was trying to say, I was like, can
I teach you how to plan like a decent

Workout and, and, uh, and I'm like,
it's having a lot of trouble with it.

So I just asked her, I said, how
can I help you like learn this?

It's like, do you have some articles?

I was like, I've got tons of articles.

So I'm like putting all
these articles into it.

Um, and it did way better.

It was like, Oh, it started
using, it was crazy.

I'd using the stuff I teach to, to like
actually structure the workouts and stuff,

the, and it's still, it's still clunky.

Cause it's still.

Is still drawing on all of
the information that it has.

Um, so, and sometimes it'll do something
and you're like, no, that's wrong.

I didn't want you to do it that way.

And it's like, okay, I
won't do it that way again.

And then you, you do it again and
it does it the same way again.

You're like, no, you're still doing it.

So I think it's still,
it's not quite there.

Um, but, but yeah, like I
wouldn't, I just hadn't had time

to really play around with that.

And, you know, I felt really, especially
as somebody who writes, felt really

threatened initially by AI, but
now starting to see how some people

are using it just as like a tool,
um, and like a jumping off point.

Um, so for instance, one of the things
you could do with it, like, especially

with this one, I'm training is you
could say, like, come up with 12

ideas for the next month and it'll
just come up with like, like some

bullet point Ideas for your sessions.

You still got to go out and flesh them
out cause it's not really smart enough to

do that yet properly without just doing
the same workout over and over again.

Um, but you know, it gives you like,
it's like that first bit of like staring

at the blank page is now kind of gone.

Um, yeah.

So having a, a bit of a play
around with that and then with

like the human design and stuff.

I'm training another one to,
that knows my human design.

So I could go in there and be
like, Oh, I'm having this problem.

And it'll then, cause I've
told her what questions to ask.

It'll then be like, you know, for
me, I'd be like, are you feeling

recognized from this person?

And I'll start like reflecting
some of that stuff back.

So you can use it as kind of like a,
uh, a journaling device, basically.

Um, where, where it's, instead
of like having your sets, a lot

of like you, you've come up with
the general stuff for your life.

So if you had like one for your guy
life, that, that you, that would

like, you'd come in and it usually
prompts you with a few questions.

So you would have like your initial
questions there and then they

would, they would type it back
and then it might prompt them

with another question.

Dale Sidebottom: that's really cool.

Cause I've had, I've had a AI,
bot on my site for, uh, I can

hear it a bit now and basically

that's someone goes on there and says,
Hey, I want a fun way to practice

gratitude with this what's and

it'll find out of my thousand plus games.

It'll find the best

one for them or a course
or whatever that might be.

But well, I love the idea of the, I
never even thought about this, but to

prompt good questions around journaling.

Wow.

Kyle Wood: yeah, that's, uh, I hadn't
seen someone do it that way either.

And then, yeah, apparently like I saw
it on another website, but apparently

like Tim Ferriss and, you know, a bunch
of these other, like, sort of, sort of,

they've all set up like their own one,
um, which, you know, you can like train

over time and then, yeah, they can go
in there or like, if you got business

ideas, it can just sort of help you like

go through it a little bit
and, and pull it apart.

So you can kind of

say, um, yeah.

so it's, it's, yeah, so seeing it as that
kind of tool, it's like, well, that's

especially for a solo business owner.

It's like, that's very, um,

that's very helpful.

Dale Sidebottom: I think the, biggest
thing I've found with journaling and

obviously having the big sugar life app I
made last year is, you don't, I don't want

to store anybody's journals or I don't
want to, once you do that, you open up a

whole like privacy and things like that.

Kyle Wood: course.

Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: You know, you
could have something like this on

your website, but where does it
get stored and what, what happens?

And there comes all this privacy.

Kyle Wood: That's a

Dale Sidebottom: I've sort of found,
you know, now particularly with our app

that it's just stored on people's apps.

If they delete their app, the, the sugar

life app, then it's gone.

Like we, I didn't want any responsibility
of that or have a database.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: Which is, it's so
unfortunate because you're trying

to create something good, but then
I don't know, so many things can go

wrong or yeah, it, I love that idea.

But my whole, while you were
talking about that, cause I had

so many issues with what we're

Kyle Wood: Mm.

Dale Sidebottom: I was just
thinking, how does it work?

Where does it get stored?

Like instead of the possibilities,
you're trying to think, I don't know.

Kyle Wood: I know, I have, I
have been thinking about that

and Zoe says that to me too.

She's like, are you just like
giving them all this information?

So that definitely would be
something worth, worth like, um,

because it, because it remembers.

So if you were using it for journaling,
like six months later, you would, you

should theoretically be able to say,
Hey, can you spit out my journal from,

this date or do a summary, a
paragraph summary of what I was

thinking on this date and it'll
then spit it back out to you.

But that's obviously not being
stored like locally on your

computer.

Dale Sidebottom: but then it's, but then
if you've got, my thing is if I had, uh,

This on people's membership platform and
each one of them had that where would it

be like, oh,

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

No.

Yeah.

So

Dale Sidebottom: scares the
absolute shit out of me mate.

Kyle Wood: yeah.

I'm going to do some research on

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.

if it can remind me what I
did six months ago and remind

everybody what did six months ago

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: Oh, I don't know.

That's like creating a
really bad situation, I feel.

Kyle Wood: is, it's smart.

Dale Sidebottom: like, that's,
that's making me tingle with my

hands with anxiety because I'm
like, where is that actually going?

Oh,

Kyle Wood: Alright, we'll just
use it for now to come up with

Dale Sidebottom: Ideas.

H1.

Kyle Wood: app that I use for this has
it built in so it'll, it'll read the

transcript and I can even ask it like,
you When I'm trying to do links and stuff,

I'll say what books and resources and
things did we mention during this episode

and it'll spit out little, sections.

So that's, um, I don't know
if you find, so that stuff's

just like so much easier and

editing or even like,
where did I repeat myself?

So like, you know, where did I
start saying something and then stop

and then start saying it again and
it'll, it'll pick up those as well.

Dale Sidebottom: Well, so the one
I use it's, uh, once I finished

the recording, you simply just put
the audio in it and a minute later,

it gives you 10 podcast titles.

It gives you the show notes,
gives you the transcript.

It gives you blog posts,
gives you social media posts,

gives you quotes, whatever you

want.

And if you don't like
them, just hit it again.

And it does it again.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: it's,

Kyle Wood: That's called pot.

What's that one

Dale Sidebottom: uh, it's called?

Cast Magic, this one,

Kyle Wood: Cast magic.

Yeah, that's the one I saw
someone recommending the other

Dale Sidebottom: it's
like insane, like it's

crazy, and then I put the video into this
platform called Opus, and it creates 20

short reels of content of the best part.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: like You literally

don't, you don't have to do anything now.

And that's that, I love it for that
aspect because I didn't, one of the

things I didn't like about podcasting
or was writing the show notes, doing

like coming up with ideas.

I hated doing that.

You, you're always very good at it,
but it also took a lot of your time.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

And so that's what I found.

I'm like, I was getting behind
with our other podcasts.

We took a break.

Yeah.

And then we got back into it and I've
been struggling and I was like, all

right, I just need to start using some
of these tools that are out there.

Um,

Dale Sidebottom: They're

amazing, mate.

Kyle Wood: like spending half a day
editing one podcast when you're doing

that every week and I've only got
three and a half days that I work each

week because of family commitments.

So it's like suddenly
I'm down to three days

Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.

And that's, that's,

just for one podcast.

It's like, it's not You know, whereas

now you can, now I can, I can record an
episode, put the sound in, in, within

10 minutes, it's fully done, like

Kyle Wood: just add the intro

Dale Sidebottom: I just add the
intro and cause I was saying before,

like, just really upgraded my sound.

It's really good now.

I don't edit any of that.

I just chop and start the end.

Kyle Wood: Yeah.

Dale Sidebottom: with the outro, the
intro, bang, I upload that while I'm

doing that, the show notes, the title's
done, and then all the reels and promo

stuff's done for it as well, bang.

10 minutes,

like, oh, yeah, which is great
because at the end of the day, you

do a podcast because You want to
talk to me, we'll share the message.

It's

Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah,

Dale Sidebottom: that.

They're talking was the
easy part is all the other

things.

There is now

getting a good guest.

That's once you got a good guest, the rest
is all done sort of for you, which is,

uh, that's the best part for me.

I love that.

Kyle Wood: that's good, yes, likewise.

Alright, we're just hitting up on
an hour, we could keep talking.

Dale Sidebottom: Great chat, great chat.

Well, the Dale and Kyle
show, the Kyle and Dale show.

What a, what a blast it's been, mate.

I think it's a nice

way to, uh, finish it up.

It's, uh, I really enjoyed

Kyle Wood: I'll, uh, I'll have
links to everything, where to see

Dale's new podcast, and Offerings
and things, um, in the show notes

and I'll have links to My stuff too.

Um, and then yeah, I think I'll
have to get you on the group fitness

expert experience um for like
a proper a proper grilling

Dale Sidebottom: Get some good questions,
mate, and really hang me out to dry.

I'm ready to rock.

Kyle Wood: Alright, yeah, I'll, when I
was getting ready for this, I was doing

a bit of, I was looking through your
websites and, like, cause I, I get your

email, like your emails and stuff like
that, so I do keep track of sort of where,

what you're doing, um, but I was like,
oh, I need to have like a proper look

into this, but yeah, um, that'll be fun.

Dale Sidebottom: I look
forward to it, man.

I look forward to it.

Well, listeners, thank you.

And Kyle, it's been a
blast as always, man.

I look forward to the
grilling on your new podcast.

Ooh,

Kyle Wood: Bye everyone.

Dale Sidebottom: see ya.